176 (edited by ThommiTechnik 2016-04-16 19:07:00)

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ilankrt wrote:

Has anyone made a test flight to LZSA? Maybe someone is also willing to test this airport using XL?

Strange enough this airport is not on the list of NAVIGRAPH charts data base!
On A320 FMC trying to define STAR doesn't work - no RWY to choose.

I got AIRAC data from "AIP Switzerland" (http://www.lugano qualification.ch/files/lsza_aip_0813.pdf) and added them to my route but without RWY data I got a mess already at the beginning of my flight, as the FMC sent wrong data to AP.....

I mention LSZA because it is one of the prepared airports to use with XL.

At least after (bad) landing on this short RWY, X-Plane crashed:
"{This application has crashed because of the plugin: GroundTraffic v1.50 LSZA_Lugano_V10.43_G}==--

You mean LSZA? Of course it's in Navigraph. In attach you'll find older charts of LSZA.

But please: NO A320 on LSZA!!!!! It's still a bigger regional airport. Flights are going either on GA, or with LX, SQ and EY to LSZH and LSGG. Even if you can brake enough, to bring in an A320, you're not able to turn onto APRON. Our biggest movement was an A318.

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177 (edited by ThommiTechnik 2016-04-16 19:15:44)

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captbullett wrote:

Good day,
As, too number five I do not think it is a bug but it is not implemented I have had the same issue the radio is silent as there should be a transfer...
Thank-you as I do believe someone else has pointed this out and it got lost in the fast moving development of XL...
captbullett

Yes, I mentioned earlier, that there's no handover from tower to center to next center, and so on. And of course missing most: from Shanwick Radio to Gander ATC. And a big improvement, if it would not be Approach after take-off, but from tower to departure to center control.
And as a suggestion, a wish for future: ATC from and to AI-Aircrafts, like in original X-Plane. But the year 2016 os young, we still have some months wink

Cheers Thomas

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ThommiTechnik wrote:
ilankrt wrote:

Has anyone made a test flight to LZSA? Maybe someone is also willing to test this airport using XL?

Strange enough this airport is not on the list of NAVIGRAPH charts data base!
On A320 FMC trying to define STAR doesn't work - no RWY to choose.

I got AIRAC data from "AIP Switzerland" (http://www.lugano qualification.ch/files/lsza_aip_0813.pdf) and added them to my route but without RWY data I got a mess already at the beginning of my flight, as the FMC sent wrong data to AP.....

I mention LSZA because it is one of the prepared airports to use with XL.

At least after (bad) landing on this short RWY, X-Plane crashed:
"{This application has crashed because of the plugin: GroundTraffic v1.50 LSZA_Lugano_V10.43_G}==--

You mean LSZA? Of course it's in Navigraph. In attach you'll find older charts of LSZA.

But please: NO A320 on LSZA!!!!! It's still a bigger regional airport. Flights are going either on GA, or with LX, SQ and EY to LSZH and LSGG. Even if you can brake enough, to bring in an A320, you're not able to turn onto APRON. Our biggest movement was an A318.

1.Believe me, I know that the A320 need at least 5500 ft for safe landing and LSZA has a RWY length of 4432. but we only simulate and I succeed to land safely and stop at the end of RWY and made a u-turn on RWY...
2. I have the same charts you send me, But my  NAVIGRAPH subscription don't  include LSZA data.
3 Try on your A320 FMC to make a flight plan LOWG-LSZA and see if you can program STAR for APPR to LSZA.. thats is my problem.
My problem is not landing the A320 but much more programming the FMC for  ILS landing ....

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179 (edited by captbullett 2016-04-17 02:04:49)

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ThommiTechnik wrote:
captbullett wrote:

Good day,
As, too number five I do not think it is a bug but it is not implemented I have had the same issue the radio is silent as there should be a transfer...
Thank-you as I do believe someone else has pointed this out and it got lost in the fast moving development of XL...
captbullett

Yes, I mentioned earlier, that there's no handover from tower to center to next center, and so on. And of course missing most: from Shanwick Radio to Gander ATC. And a big improvement, if it would not be Approach after take-off, but from tower to departure to center control.
And as a suggestion, a wish for future: ATC from and to AI-Aircrafts, like in original X-Plane. But the year 2016 os young, we still have some months wink

Cheers Thomas


Good day,

See I do remember but maybe not all the detail... and a good reason for the reports and log.txt so we can find the data like this...
B.

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Flying from EDDP to EDDH -> CTD -> while taxiing to stand/ramp -> see log

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Hi

Is it possible to increase traffic even more in any way ? (I have traffic density at max).

I would like to see traffic density like  a real busy major airport

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marty2756 wrote:

Hi

Is it possible to increase traffic even more in any way ? (I have traffic density at max).

I would like to see traffic density like  a real busy major airport


Good day,

As, you know your computer only has so, many cores and right now JAR has written the XML to optimize the cores and make XL as busy as possible without frying your computer or getting a stutter. also you will see an increase at a major airport when you go to a major airport.

Thank-you for the comment,
captbullett

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ilankrt wrote:
ThommiTechnik wrote:
ilankrt wrote:

Has anyone made a test flight to LZSA? Maybe someone is also willing to test this airport using XL?

Strange enough this airport is not on the list of NAVIGRAPH charts data base!
On A320 FMC trying to define STAR doesn't work - no RWY to choose.

I got AIRAC data from "AIP Switzerland" (http://www.lugano qualification.ch/files/lsza_aip_0813.pdf) and added them to my route but without RWY data I got a mess already at the beginning of my flight, as the FMC sent wrong data to AP.....

I mention LSZA because it is one of the prepared airports to use with XL.

At least after (bad) landing on this short RWY, X-Plane crashed:
"{This application has crashed because of the plugin: GroundTraffic v1.50 LSZA_Lugano_V10.43_G}==--

You mean LSZA? Of course it's in Navigraph. In attach you'll find older charts of LSZA.

But please: NO A320 on LSZA!!!!! It's still a bigger regional airport. Flights are going either on GA, or with LX, SQ and EY to LSZH and LSGG. Even if you can brake enough, to bring in an A320, you're not able to turn onto APRON. Our biggest movement was an A318.

1.Believe me, I know that the A320 need at least 5500 ft for safe landing and LSZA has a RWY length of 4432. but we only simulate and I succeed to land safely and stop at the end of RWY and made a u-turn on RWY...
2. I have the same charts you send me, But my  NAVIGRAPH subscription don't  include LSZA data.
3 Try on your A320 FMC to make a flight plan LOWG-LSZA and see if you can program STAR for APPR to LSZA.. thats is my problem.
My problem is not landing the A320 but much more programming the FMC for  ILS landing ....


Good day,

Yes, your programming issue comes from the MCDU and the computer knowing that the runway is short and it is trying to tell you that it (the runway is to short).

Yes, you can do because it is a simulator but a pilot just told you the reason why you had the issue I would listen to him and do a work-around at this point since, you are doing something out of the ordinary.
captbullett

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Gesicht wrote:

Hello JAR-Team,
Testflight LFML - EDDS all ok.
If ATC gives a new frequenz, the frequenz should speak in single numbers, e.g. 123,750 --> one two tree "decimal" seven five zero

This addon is marvelouse!

Yes, thanks! This will fixed for 1.1 beta 3

Please read a FAQ before you post a bug http://support.jardesign.org

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mustang60348 wrote:

Here is a problem I have , when the aircraft take off, ANOTHER aircraft is glued to the underside of it.

Is anybody more have the same issue?

Please read a FAQ before you post a bug http://support.jardesign.org

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jcdp wrote:

Hi

X-Plane has crashed on a flight between KJFK and KBOS ...
Here are log.txt and X-Life file ...

thanks!

Please read a FAQ before you post a bug http://support.jardesign.org

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J.A.Romanov wrote:
mustang60348 wrote:

Here is a problem I have , when the aircraft take off, ANOTHER aircraft is glued to the underside of it.

Is anybody more have the same issue?

Yes, I have experienced that too. Usually it is my a320neo which is attached underneath it.

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ThommiTechnik wrote:
captbullett wrote:

Good day,
As, too number five I do not think it is a bug but it is not implemented I have had the same issue the radio is silent as there should be a transfer...
Thank-you as I do believe someone else has pointed this out and it got lost in the fast moving development of XL...
captbullett

Yes, I mentioned earlier, that there's no handover from tower to center to next center, and so on. And of course missing most: from Shanwick Radio to Gander ATC. And a big improvement, if it would not be Approach after take-off, but from tower to departure to center control.
And as a suggestion, a wish for future: ATC from and to AI-Aircrafts, like in original X-Plane. But the year 2016 os young, we still have some months wink

Cheers Thomas

Yep, but I am still have not idea where I can get list of european "centers" as example.

Arrival/Departure - yes - a future task

Please read a FAQ before you post a bug http://support.jardesign.org

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Re: X-Life ver 1.0 (rc1, r1, ++)

marty2756 wrote:

Hi

Is it possible to increase traffic even more in any way ? (I have traffic density at max).

I would like to see traffic density like  a real busy major airport

I will work on it. Not easy task.

Please read a FAQ before you post a bug http://support.jardesign.org

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Good day,
thank-you ,
JAR that was a good way to get everyone answered ...LOL
B.

191 (edited by laohu314 2016-04-18 04:56:59)

Re: X-Life ver 1.0 (rc1, r1, ++)

J.A.Romanov wrote:
ThommiTechnik wrote:
captbullett wrote:

Good day,
As, too number five I do not think it is a bug but it is not implemented I have had the same issue the radio is silent as there should be a transfer...
Thank-you as I do believe someone else has pointed this out and it got lost in the fast moving development of XL...
captbullett

Yes, I mentioned earlier, that there's no handover from tower to center to next center, and so on. And of course missing most: from Shanwick Radio to Gander ATC. And a big improvement, if it would not be Approach after take-off, but from tower to departure to center control.
And as a suggestion, a wish for future: ATC from and to AI-Aircrafts, like in original X-Plane. But the year 2016 os young, we still have some months wink

Cheers Thomas

Yep, but I am still have not idea where I can get list of european "centers" as example.

There are EU ATC center frequencies on this chart. Don't know if it is comprehensive but maybe a start:
http://www.eurocontrol.int/sites/defaul … 160331.pdf



Arrival/Departure - yes - a future task

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Hello,

i would like to say than you for X-life, i am planning to get full version soon (not for features but simply for paying for something such beautiful like X-life is), but so far i have few questions or notices (well, they are partly suggestions too wink). I hope you don't mind, i try to present them as much humble as i can:

1) twy holding points - is it possible, in future versions, to have something like twy node/point naming convention for holding points? Like "any point on twy which has suffix _HOLD will be used as holding point" (or so).

2) ground traffic vs air traffic - i also noticed a lot of go arounds, probably when aicraft is on approach, but not yet on final short? Simply you can see approaching aircraft, but ground traffic simply takes over and taxi to rwy, which makes that approaching aircraft to go around.

3) rwy incursions - addinng some time delay between state "AI aircraft took off" and "rwy is clear for use" would be nice in future. If there is a row of aircraft holding to take off it is almost like company of aircrafts is taking off. As soon as first aircraft goes airborne few feets above ground next aircraft in row will immediately take off. Also in case of aiport design where is twy crossing rwy this makes odd situations like aicraft A is holding until aircraft B takes off and then A crosses the runway literally few tens of feets under taking off aircraft B.

4) confused/freezing aircrafts - from time to time some AI aircraft gets pushbacked, then stops, turns its light off and sits there ... waiting for its sudden resurrection wink and then confusingly taxiing all around the aiport to rwy. I am trying to keep low points count as possible and not so much close on intersections etc.

5) some of aircraft have glued some small, usually GA, to its nosewheel, but only when flying. I call them "pushback GA" wink, because they feel like they are there where pushback tug usually is, well, when on ground smile. But those "pushback GA" disappear when aircraft are on short final, like few tens of feets above ground or so. Not sure if it could be collision with some of object libraries? I am using OpenSceneryX, ff-library, R2 library, ru-scenery, world-models.

Thank you for reply, or, at least considering some of above into future versions of X-life.

Sincerely,
b.

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captbullett wrote:

Good day,
thank-you ,
JAR that was a good way to get everyone answered ...LOL
B.

Yes, LOL!

Please read a FAQ before you post a bug http://support.jardesign.org

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Test flight LOWG-LSZA
JAR A320 2.6.1
X-life latest
SMP Latest + RWC
FM car
on my iMac27 OSX 10.9.5

1. LOWG great scenery dense traffic ....
2. LSZA nice scenery, airport for small and middle class aircraft. Steep APPR to RW01.
After CTD because of the LSZA plugin GroundTraffic, I downloaded and installed for new its last version - No more CTD. Strange and disturbing are the two "balloons" over this airport....
After initiating XL, I had to wait a long tome to see some traffic in the sky and at the gates. The taxi ways are not accurate designed, aircraft are rolling on grass...

This time I tried the compatibility between XL and SMP3.1 + the new RWC. It seems to work well, but frame rate sank to minimum (on my iMac). 

(and especially for Tommy:
https://youtu.be/8g5YTevoZbQ?list=PL7Ot … GBDnbvfQWn )

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195 (edited by laohu314 2016-04-18 14:31:19)

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LOWSLOWW CTD on Approach sad

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J.A.Romanov wrote:
mustang60348 wrote:

Here is a problem I have , when the aircraft take off, ANOTHER aircraft is glued to the underside of it.

Is anybody more have the same issue?

Yes Eugeny, I think this behavior is due to the interaction whith the X-Plane IA. If I set only one aircraft in the Aircraft&Situation menú, this problem dissaperar.

197 (edited by Vantskruv 2016-04-18 21:23:11)

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J.A.Romanov wrote:

Yep, but I am still have not idea where I can get list of european "centers" as example.

Arrival/Departure - yes - a future task

I think it is quite complicated, as countries my have different rules. Let me give you an example (notice I am not a real pilot, but this is my understanding).

The Swedish Civil Aviation Administration gives resources for airspace around its FIR.

https://www.aro.lfv.se/Editorial/View/IAIP?folderId=15

The documents is showing regions of upper and lower airspace, which I would call 'centers' if I am right.
Also the documents are showing airspaces for TMA (I guess these can be radar, approach or departure airspaces for airports), within the TMA:s the airport tower airspace is shown.

It is clearly seen that airspaces are divided by altitudes (from ground and up):
* Tower
* TMA
* Lower Center
* Upper Center

Often in Sweden towers have airspace from GND to 2500a, and above TMA has it airspace between 2500a to FL95. Above that the comes the 'center', FL95 to unlimited, divided in sections according to maps given in the link above.


In Sweden all airspace above FL95 is controlled. Below that level, if there are no airspaces according to the maps (i.e. TMA or tower), the airspace is it is uncontrolled.
I.e. let us say we fly some VFR at 1000 feet just outside the area of a tower airspace, but we are inside the area of TMA airspace. But, note, the TMA airspace begins at 2500a, so we are flying in uncontrolled airspace.

A good resource to get data of airspaces is from www.openaip.net (registration is needed, but it is free). Though it seems the data do not give frequencies, but it gives data of airspaces as polygons and altitudes. Note that this data does not represent the whole world, but a big part of it.

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Vantskruv wrote:
J.A.Romanov wrote:

Yep, but I am still have not idea where I can get list of european "centers" as example.

Arrival/Departure - yes - a future task

I think it is quite complicated, as countries my have different rules. Let me give you an example (notice I am not a real pilot, but this is my understanding).

The demand to map and  implement "centers" into XL ATC is nonsense.
Such a "project" in the real is "Eurocontrol". Its complexity is far beyond any idea to simulate such a net, not to speak about implementing it in a software like XL.

http://jardesign.org/forum/img/m/1591/t/p1aglqbg8udr71sh3j2n9n62dm7.jpg

What can be done is to take for example the division of european air space into 'CENTER' zones. and for each zone to set a specific FL... not more. Sim pilots under XL can then get advices after changing zones to dial the corresponding zones  frequencies.

http://jardesign.org/forum/img/m/1591/t/p1aglq5va715j89iqfb5102214kf3.jpg

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199 (edited by captbullett 2016-04-18 23:40:27)

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ilankrt wrote:
Vantskruv wrote:
J.A.Romanov wrote:

Yep, but I am still have not idea where I can get list of european "centers" as example.

Arrival/Departure - yes - a future task

I think it is quite complicated, as countries my have different rules. Let me give you an example (notice I am not a real pilot, but this is my understanding).

The demand to map and  implement "centers" into XL ATC is nonsense.
Such a "project" in the real is "Eurocontrol". Its complexity is far beyond any idea to simulate such a net, not to speak about implementing it in a software like XL.

http://jardesign.org/forum/img/m/1591/t/p1aglqbg8udr71sh3j2n9n62dm7.jpg

What can be done is to take for example the division of european air space into 'CENTER' zones. and for each zone to set a specific FL... not more. Sim pilots under XL can then get advices after changing zones to dial the corresponding zones  frequencies.

http://jardesign.org/forum/img/m/1591/t/p1aglq5va715j89iqfb5102214kf3.jpg


Good Day,
as any Ideal it has been taken in, good data and visual ... but you see some parts are not implement and doesn't correspond with XL ? so how do we get the two to work together ? without adding extra data or moving parts should I say so lets start form square one.
captbullett

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I tried X life demo version today. It crashed x plane but I think it might have been because I wasn't using a verified airport. I was using one I customized with ATC taxi routes. Would that cause x plane to crash? Also must you remove the World Traffic Plugin if it is installed? or just disable it thanks