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Re: X-Life ver 1.0 (rc1, r1, ++)

dadez77 wrote:

Hi Eugeny,

just complete a test flight from LIRF to LFMN, all works like a charm execptfor the departure SID, the delivery not assign any SID.

Do you remember our flight with skype desktop sharing? In that flight i have had the same problem, deliver give the clereance but without SID.

For the rest all works fine

thanks for all


Yes, I remember, BUT seems like this is Navdata issue.. as example -

+We select LIRF RW25 for takeof.
+We find a SID at LIRF.txt proc file - EKLO5R

SID,EKLO5R,25,5
CA,0,248,2,410,0,0,0,0,0,0
DF,RF726,41.79547222,12.21821667,0, ,0.0,0.0,0,0,0,1,210,0,0,1
DF,RF701,41.83262778,12.13183611,2, ,0.0,0.0,2,2800,0,1,240,0,0,1
DF,RF703,41.71315833,12.14123333,0, ,0.0,0.0,2,6000,0,0,0,0,0,0
TF,EKLOS,41.57250000,12.30027778,0, ,0.0,0.0,0,0.00,2,8000,0,0,0,0,0,0

+We take Last SID point and it is EKLOS
+We try to build route to arrival using airways, open ats.txt file and.. and.. and..

THERE is No EKLOS point in the ats.txt That mean what EKLOS point not a part of ANY airroute and it can not be used for routebuilding. OOOOpssss! I am stuck.. ATC too, cause it use my brain logic smile

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Re: X-Life ver 1.0 (rc1, r1, ++)

escapem wrote:

Hi Eugeny.

First of all, i want to thank you for your job!
I've bought X-Life a few days ago, and i think it's awesome!
However, i have some questions about the current features, and, maybe about further developing:

1. If my departure or arrival airport is not compatible with X-life, so, no traffic in this airports. And what about traffic from compatible enroute airports?
2. Is there any way to create ground routes for standard airports, which don't have a custom scenery?
3. What should i do, if my custom scenery contains many airports with ATC taxiways, what file i need to place in airports folder, and how do i name it?

Thank you!

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Re: X-Life ver 1.0 (rc1, r1, ++)

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Does X-Life use Airport Flows as defined in WED. or does it just ignore any entries about that?

XL use Runways data, ATC-taxiroutes data, stands data. Thats all.

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Re: X-Life ver 1.0 (rc1, r1, ++)

ThommiTechnik wrote:

So, working week is done, back to X-Life wink

What I've seen: ATC is not yelling at me, when I'm overspeeded under 10'000 feet, and have more then 250kts GS. I don't know why, but in my Epic E1000 I had around 300kts at 8'000 feet. And ATC let me go wink Not good wink

Cheers
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It is easy to add, BUT, please inform me about

- ATC phraseology what should be in this case
- What about no-Europe (like USA etc) rules about this? It is not 10000 ft / 250 kts as I am understand?

We have description string like this (Boston as example)
A,KBOS,BOSTON/GENERAL EDWAR,42.36294,-71.00639,19,18000,18000,10000

First 18000 = Trans LVL
Next 18000 = Trans Alt
Next 10000 = Max Runway Len (ft)

So I am not see any exact data about this limitation for every airport.

Any ideas?

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Re: X-Life ver 1.0 (rc1, r1, ++)

Blackcat wrote:

Here's the problem with the image. 2 planes are "AI"

http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/934952AB1153.png

ATC-taxirout issue i thing. I am not see it, but may be no hold point before RW04.

Also, I am not le any RW04 at airport info (left side) smile

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Re: X-Life ver 1.0 (rc1, r1, ++)

ilankrt wrote:
J.A.Romanov wrote:
Vantskruv wrote:

Romanov, are you planning to increase the taxi speed slightly? It feels like the aircraft is so slow, but I am not sure if others thinks that too...

Also, approaching aircraft seems to be too close to each other, as almost always the second aircraft aborts landing.

And at last, is it planned for aircraft to line up runway and wait after an other aircraft have landed, or departing?

ok, please publish true approved speed values for taxi for different aircraft types. Please post it here with link to docs - i will check and compare with my speeds datas. If you have this, sure.



Since it's not clearly defined by the FAA, I assume that most airlines limit taxi speeds via their SOPs, also due to the variety of equipment, it might be unfeasible for the FAA to mandate a specific speed.

Roughly:

Max 30 kts: straight line with no close obstacles (for example: back-tracking on the runway)
Max 20 kts: straight line with obstacles (for example: on the taxiway, or close to other aircraft/stands/ground vehicles)
Max 10 kts: turns and entry onto ramp area

FollowMe car average speed is 22kts . It is at safety range for every aircraft and  do not need any change!
Also landing speed and roll out on runway seems to be OK
The distance of landing AI aircraft should indeed be longer
Line up on RWY after an aircraft was landing can save fuel and time in the real world. The X-Life procedure to line up and get clearance to take-off without delay after runway was cleared is a satisfyingly solution....

Thanks. I always follow datas like this in calculations.

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Re: X-Life ver 1.0 (rc1, r1, ++)

ThommiTechnik wrote:
J.A.Romanov wrote:

Ok, thanks for report. Next improvement will be crossing Runway by user aircraft and and get Hold if runway busy. But I am not sure about phraseology - please look at screenshot:

e.g. (in EDDF): "Lufthansa 123, taxi to holding point runway 18 via Mike 1 and November, hold short of Quebec, traffic will be a Cargo Lux Boeing 747 moving right to left."

or

"Lufthansa 123, taxi to holding point runway 18 via Mike 1 and November, hold short of Quebec, because of departing Cargo Lux 747" (so that you know, what blasts you have to expect)

or

"Lufthansa 123, taxi to holding point runway 18 via Mike 1 and November, hold short of Quebec, because of arriving Cargo Lux 747"

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Re: X-Life ver 1.0 (rc1, r1, ++)

ilankrt wrote:
J.A.Romanov wrote:

Ok, thanks for report. Next improvement will be crossing Runway by user aircraft and and get Hold if runway busy. But I am not sure about phraseology - please look at screenshot:

http://jardesign.org/forum/img/m/22/t/p1aftbdlf31mbs1i8g1a471rpc2jo3.jpg



Suggestion
1  "hold short, runway xx-xx busy"
2  clear to cross runway xx-xx, continue taxi"

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J.A.Romanov wrote:

User may prepare needed files for any airport itself (we have manual at product page), or wait when someone do this, or wait when scenery developers do this or.. use scenery what always have needed datas.

Yes, it's clear for me, thanks, but still: if i have a package with 10 airports, for example.
All this airports contains ATC taxiroutes, so, if i uderstand correctly, it's enough to export .dat file in the "airport" folder.
Should i make .dat file for each airport? And if not, then how do i name it?

110 Reply by ThommiTechnik (edited by ThommiTechnik 2016-04-09 17:47:49)

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J.A.Romanov wrote:

It is easy to add, BUT, please inform me about

- ATC phraseology what should be in this case
- What about no-Europe (like USA etc) rules about this? It is not 10000 ft / 250 kts as I am understand?

We have description string like this (Boston as example)
A,KBOS,BOSTON/GENERAL EDWAR,42.36294,-71.00639,19,18000,18000,10000

First 18000 = Trans LVL
Next 18000 = Trans Alt
Next 10000 = Max Runway Len (ft)

So I am not see any exact data about this limitation for every airport.

Any ideas?

Below 10'000 feet you find it anywhere in the world, it's 250 knots. I think, it's very complicated for you and your team, to implement speed constraints for every airport. E.g. at LSZB, or LIRF, you have a max speed of 210 and 230 knots on the final. Or if you would really go to real life, you have to deal with the planes in front of you.
To make it totally confusing, goto livetac.net, and listen to approach of KDFW, KSFO (especially when the A380 is coming wink ), KJFK and compare to EHAM, EDDF, EDDK, LSZH. The Americans don't have any humor wink They are getting totally angry, when you're only a little bit above speed restriction.

For every airport, either you have to program every month all the charts (or the changes), or you have to grab data in /Custom Data/GNS430/ for the people, who are updating the AIRAC. There you also have the constraints.

Phrase would be: "xxx - you're below 10'000 feet - reduce speed to 250kts"

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escapem wrote:
J.A.Romanov wrote:

User may prepare needed files for any airport itself (we have manual at product page), or wait when someone do this, or wait when scenery developers do this or.. use scenery what always have needed datas.

Yes, it's clear for me, thanks, but still: if i have a package with 10 airports, for example.
All this airports contains ATC taxiroutes, so, if i uderstand correctly, it's enough to export .dat file in the "airport" folder.
Should i make .dat file for each airport? And if not, then how do i name it?

Если в apt.dat корректно прописаны ATC-taxiroutes (чего я еще ни разу не встречал, потому что тестировать было не на чем), то достаточно взять apt.dat и переименовав его в UUEE.dat (например для шарика) положить в папку X-Life/Airports/ Останется открыть GateEditor и расставить категории мест стоянок, радиочастоты и инфу по полосам. На практике - ATC-taxiroutes приходится корректировать/переделывать в WEDe.

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SirOTheOne wrote:

another CTD - flying from LZIB to LOWS while approaching in LOWS via RNAV (x-life said ILS -> bug)

see logs - many many messages: "!!! Unknown Check Ai Brake case" whatever it means


Also, your LOWS scenery has some problems that need to be cleaned up:

Warning: illegal space found before glyph 28 name = 1
(in sign '{@Y,^l}L{@L}EXIT_1{@Y}L{^r}' from airport LOWS:Custom Scenery/LOWS W.A.Mozart 1.2/Earth nav data/apt.dat)
Warning: illegal space found after glyph 20 name = T
Warning: illegal space found before glyph 28 name = 1
(in sign '{@Y,^l}L{@L}EXIT_1{@Y}L{^r}' from airport LOWS:Custom Scenery/LOWS W.A.Mozart 1.2/Earth nav data/apt.dat)
Warning: illegal space found after glyph 20 name = T
Warning: illegal space found before glyph 29 name = 2
(in sign '{@Y,^l}L{@L}EXIT_2{@Y}L{^r}' from airport LOWS:Custom Scenery/LOWS W.A.Mozart 1.2/Earth nav data/apt.dat)
Warning: illegal space found after glyph 20 name = T
Warning: illegal space found before glyph 29 name = 2
(in sign '{@Y,^l}L{@L}EXIT_2{@Y}L{^r}' from airport LOWS:Custom Scenery/LOWS W.A.Mozart 1.2/Earth nav data/apt.dat)
Warning: illegal space found after glyph 20 name = T
Warning: illegal space found before glyph 30 name = 3
Warning: illegal space found after glyph 20 name = T
Warning: illegal space found before glyph 30 name = 3
(in sign '{@Y,^l}L{@L}EXIT_3{@Y}C{^u}|L{^r,@@,@L}EXIT_3{@Y}L{^r}|EXIT_2{^r}' from airport LOWS:Custom Scenery/LOWS W.A.Mozart 1.2/Earth nav data/apt.dat)
Warning: illegal space found after glyph 20 name = T
Warning: illegal space found before glyph 30 name = 3
Warning: illegal space found after glyph 20 name = T
Warning: illegal space found before glyph 30 name = 3
(in sign '{@Y,^l}L|C{^u,@L}EXIT_3{@Y}L{^r,@@,@Y,^l}EXIT_4|L{^r,@L}EXIT_3' from airport LOWS:Custom Scenery/LOWS W.A.Mozart 1.2/Earth nav data/apt.dat)
Warning: illegal space found after glyph 20 name = T
Warning: illegal space found before glyph 31 name = 4
(in sign '{@Y,^l}L{@L}EXIT_4{@Y}L{^r}' from airport LOWS:Custom Scenery/LOWS W.A.Mozart 1.2/Earth nav data/apt.dat)
Warning: illegal space found after glyph 20 name = T
Warning: illegal space found before glyph 31 name = 4
(in sign '{@Y,^l}L{@L}EXIT_4{@Y}L{^r}' from airport LOWS:Custom Scenery/LOWS W.A.Mozart 1.2/Earth nav data/apt.dat)
Warning: illegal space found after glyph 20 name = T
Warning: illegal space found before glyph 31 name = 4
(in sign '{@L}EXIT_4' from airport LOWS:Custom Scenery/LOWS W.A.Mozart 1.2/Earth nav data/apt.dat)
Warning: illegal space found after glyph 20 name = T
Warning: illegal space found before glyph 31 name = 4
(in sign '{@L}EXIT_4' from airport LOWS:Custom Scenery/LOWS W.A.Mozart 1.2/Earth nav data/apt.dat)
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CTD at KBOS.



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I must say, I appreciate how close to real you can come with Gate Editor. Today I grabbed the charts for KBOS, and actual there is landing at 14 allowed, and no TO at 32. Two clicks, save, and you're done. Great!

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ThommiTechnik wrote:
J.A.Romanov wrote:

It is easy to add, BUT, please inform me about

- ATC phraseology what should be in this case
- What about no-Europe (like USA etc) rules about this? It is not 10000 ft / 250 kts as I am understand?

We have description string like this (Boston as example)
A,KBOS,BOSTON/GENERAL EDWAR,42.36294,-71.00639,19,18000,18000,10000

First 18000 = Trans LVL
Next 18000 = Trans Alt
Next 10000 = Max Runway Len (ft)

So I am not see any exact data about this limitation for every airport.

Any ideas?

Below 10'000 feet you find it anywhere in the world, it's 250 knots. I think, it's very complicated for you and your team, to implement speed constraints for every airport. E.g. at LSZB, or LIRF, you have a max speed of 210 and 230 knots on the final. Or if you would really go to real life, you have to deal with the planes in front of you.
To make it totally confusing, goto livetac.net, and listen to approach of KDFW, KSFO (especially when the A380 is coming wink ), KJFK and compare to EHAM, EDDF, EDDK, LSZH. The Americans don't have any humor wink They are getting totally angry, when you're only a little bit above speed restriction.

For every airport, either you have to program every month all the charts (or the changes), or you have to grab data in /Custom Data/GNS430/ for the people, who are updating the AIRAC. There you also have the constraints.

Phrase would be: "xxx - you're below 10'000 feet - reduce speed to 250kts"

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There is for example a problem that has to be solved but I have no idea how.  Lets say I want to land at SLOR Juan Mendoza Airport, with elevation of 12146 ft. or at Juana Azurduy SLSU, elevation of 9527 ft. The 10000/250 rule will not apply.
I don,t think that XL can adapt any airport specifications. 10000/250 I think is a good compromise for all occurrences.

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I have made routing for EKCH, though it seems X-Life is not able to load the airport. I.e. no aircrafts at all spawn, and it seems traffic is turns off even if I set to on (several times). Note other airports works fine.

I do not have a clue what is wrong. Can anyone help?
Airport scenery which I'm using: http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/fi … n-denmark/

Edit: I've removed the airplanes on the airport scenery, but I'm not if it is okay to upload the modified .dsf file aswell. Maybe I need to ask the author first (even if the airport is freeware).

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Again CTD while using Gate Editor at KBOS

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Re: X-Life ver 1.0 (rc1, r1, ++)

J.A.Romanov wrote:
Chaps wrote:

Does X-Life use Airport Flows as defined in WED. or does it just ignore any entries about that?

XL use Runways data, ATC-taxiroutes data, stands data. Thats all.

Thank You

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Re: X-Life ver 1.0 (rc1, r1, ++)

Test flight EGLL - EDDL
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A330
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No crash

EGLL: Another aircraft came from opposite direction in front of me on  same taxi route. There was no opportunity to sidestep.
http://jardesign.org/forum/img/m/1591/t/p1ag06ui5bqgmn581aqdg431c7b6.jpg

Generally thinking if it is possible to program a waiting loop for AI aircraft that ar programed to taxi on same routes as ATC advised for my aircraft. Let say  IF  my taxi way is  a, b , c  RWY12 and AI aircraft is programed to taxi on d, a, f, THAN waiting loop before going on a until my aircraft leaves a. (in case of a=a waiting loop, a≠a continue).
http://jardesign.org/forum/img/m/1591/t/p1ag065c1c1b6i1mdf7dgs75ovq3.gif

EDDL: I decided to use the free from X-Plane to download excellent scenery instead of the Aerosoft version. I hope that someone talented or maybe the author will prepare it for XL !! Traffic was functioning nearly perfect on taxi ways. Main problem was the positioning of XL AI aircraft on existing other static aircraft.
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Re: X-Life ver 1.0 (rc1, r1, ++)

J.A.Romanov wrote:

Если в apt.dat корректно прописаны ATC-taxiroutes (чего я еще ни разу не встречал, потому что тестировать было не на чем), то достаточно взять apt.dat и переименовав его в UUEE.dat (например для шарика) положить в папку X-Life/Airports/ Останется открыть GateEditor и расставить категории мест стоянок, радиочастоты и инфу по полосам. На практике - ATC-taxiroutes приходится корректировать/переделывать в WEDe.

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121 Reply by ThommiTechnik (edited by ThommiTechnik 2016-04-10 16:48:48)

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Re: X-Life ver 1.0 (rc1, r1, ++)

ilankrt wrote:

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There is for example a problem that has to be solved but I have no idea how.  Lets say I want to land at SLOR Juan Mendoza Airport, with elevation of 12146 ft. or at Juana Azurduy SLSU, elevation of 9527 ft. The 10000/250 rule will not apply.
I don,t think that XL can adapt any airport specifications. 10000/250 I think is a good compromise for all occurrences.

Think so, too. Because, when I have a look at Airport and charts, it's up to the pilot AND controller, to deal with. As pilot you have to calculate cause of weight, and controller of traffic. I think, at this airport, it will be "on your decision", the speed.

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Re: X-Life ver 1.0 (rc1, r1, ++)

ilankrt wrote:

Test flight EGLL - EDDL


Generally thinking if it is possible to program a waiting loop for AI aircraft that ar programed to taxi on same routes as ATC advised for my aircraft. Let say  IF  my taxi way is  a, b , c  RWY12 and AI aircraft is programed to taxi on d, a, f, THAN waiting loop before going on a until my aircraft leaves a.

Sure, X-Life have a tonns of internal logic, include taxiway busy logic. Not simple, as somebody may imagine. Work wrong sometimes.

Please read a FAQ before you post a bug http://support.jardesign.org

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Re: X-Life ver 1.0 (rc1, r1, ++)

Today I had an engine failure (emergency on planned route) and thought it would be a good feature to talk to the ATC in situations like that. Maybe ATC could give pilots vectors to nearest airport. Another feature would be getting instructions from ATC after reporting rejected take-off (RTO).

Thank you very much for this great plugin.

124 Reply by Michael (edited by Michael 2016-04-11 00:03:21)

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Re: X-Life ver 1.0 (rc1, r1, ++)

Hi guys!

I just came across this problem. I received a "very long" ATC taxi clearance, and I got this cosmetic issue (overlapping text).

Please see attachment, thanks!

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Re: X-Life ver 1.0 (rc1, r1, ++)

Hello,

after i installed x-life 1.0, i get a message, that there is a version 1.1. But the
Download Link doesnt work inside x-plane. Where i can find the x-life Version 1.1 ?

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