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Hi Mr. Romanov,     please read this :-)

There is a really big bug in Flight Plan route calculation (in xlife, A320, A330)

- It is NOT POSSIBLE to calculate a route where no SID is defined in AIRAC Cycle in dep. airport
- If there is no SID defined in dep. airport, it is NOT POSSIBLE to get a complete flight plan in A320 + A330

How to reproduce this bug every time (it's NOT the airport CYXC !!):

- install included airport CYXC
- we try to calculate a route from CYXC to KSFO

1) start x-life
2) hotstart A320neo2.6b4
3) open x-life Flight Plan
4) ENTER: dep: CYXC, arr: KSFO, altern: KSFO, Level: 320
5) Press "Generate"

Result: Nothing, empty flight plan. Does not work. You won't be able to generate a route.

6) in FMC A320, enter: CYXC/KSFO in init page (from/to)
7) switch to F-PLAN
8) set departure and arrival SID/STAR, does not matter what you set.

Result: "Flight Plan Dis." which is not removable.

You can not delete the Flight Plan Dis., regardless what you do.

===> This does not work.

9) Install the included modified_navdata_CYXC.txt in "GNS430/navdata/proc/CYXC.txt", but BACK UP the old version
     (because my modifications are NOT real world, just to show what is going wrong)
     (it's a simple modification, I copied the SID from CYYC and corrected the names. This is logically nonsense,
      but technically your generator thinks that there are valid SIDs at the airport).

10) restart x-plane, goto 1) and restart :-)

Result:
a) Flight plan calculation works now.
b) no more "Flight Plan Dis." in A320 which can not be removed. Select any SID and remove the "Flight Plan Dis."

Conclusion:

==> Route calculation needs to be fixed, FMC needs to be fixed (same bug)  :-)

(don't forget to restore the original AIRAC data backed up before....)

Best regards,

Hi !

regarding to this text below, I've made some tests with some airports regarding to traffic problems,
here are the results (for those who have problems with ATC routes and no traffic, only 1 time traffic and so on):

1) you need a correct ATC route for the airport, that's clear. but this is not very complicated.
2) If you do not have traffic now, you are running in one of the following problems:

  a) the airport has no SID defined in AIRAC cycle. It's just easy: No SID, NO outgoing traffic.
      ==> Easy to check: Open X-Life flight plan, enter a route and press generate. If you do not get a route
                                      (empty output) you will not have traffic.

      CYXC is a candidate for exactly this problem. You will never get traffic here. We need an updated X-Life.
 

  b) you have only one runway defined in AIRAC cycle (as APP or FINAL)
      ==> Easy to check: Set weather manually. Set wind speed >20kt, direction parallel to runway in one or
                                      other direction. Example: Runway 16/34, set wind to 160deg and test. Then set wind to 340 deg
                                      and test.

       CYXC is a candidate for this: It has only Runway 16 defined in AIRAC, so if you set this to tailwind, you will not have
                                                    incoming traffic. If you set correct wind, you will have incoming traffic. If you switch on
                                                    real weather, you may or may not have incoming traffic...

At the end, both problems should be resolved to get also smaller airports running.

Bug a) should be resolved fast, because it affects also the A320/A330 FMC which is not working correctly here.

Bug b) can be resolved by enabling tailwind landings on airports which have only 1 runway defined.

Best regards,

thomas_99 wrote:

Hi Mr. Romanov,     please read this :-)

There is a really big bug in Flight Plan route calculation (in xlife, A320, A330)

- It is NOT POSSIBLE to calculate a route where no SID is defined in AIRAC Cycle in dep. airport
- If there is no SID defined in dep. airport, it is NOT POSSIBLE to get a complete flight plan in A320 + A330

How to reproduce this bug every time (it's NOT the airport CYXC !!):

- install included airport CYXC
- we try to calculate a route from CYXC to KSFO

1) start x-life
2) hotstart A320neo2.6b4
3) open x-life Flight Plan
4) ENTER: dep: CYXC, arr: KSFO, altern: KSFO, Level: 320
5) Press "Generate"

Result: Nothing, empty flight plan. Does not work. You won't be able to generate a route.

6) in FMC A320, enter: CYXC/KSFO in init page (from/to)
7) switch to F-PLAN
8) set departure and arrival SID/STAR, does not matter what you set.

Result: "Flight Plan Dis." which is not removable.

You can not delete the Flight Plan Dis., regardless what you do.

===> This does not work.

9) Install the included modified_navdata_CYXC.txt in "GNS430/navdata/proc/CYXC.txt", but BACK UP the old version
     (because my modifications are NOT real world, just to show what is going wrong)
     (it's a simple modification, I copied the SID from CYYC and corrected the names. This is logically nonsense,
      but technically your generator thinks that there are valid SIDs at the airport).

10) restart x-plane, goto 1) and restart :-)

Result:
a) Flight plan calculation works now.
b) no more "Flight Plan Dis." in A320 which can not be removed. Select any SID and remove the "Flight Plan Dis."

Conclusion:

==> Route calculation needs to be fixed, FMC needs to be fixed (same bug)  :-)

(don't forget to restore the original AIRAC data backed up before....)

Best regards,

Thanks for the exploring and explanation! So this means, e.g. for LIRJ, a well populated airport during the summertime for tourists, there will never be a chance for ATC? Because, there was, is, and will never be foreseen a SID, it's VFR to (mostly) ELB, and from there IFR.

Cheers, Thomas

Good day,

So all of this information tells me that people are going into the X-Life plugin and doing to much manipulation of files in X-Life that should not be touched.

Yes, there are files that you need to work with but you need to know what you are doing or else, you run in to issues and then call them "Big Bugs" when they are not 'Big Bugs" they are operators going into files and corrupting the files.

So, to fix you then either need to clear the file or re-install the X-Life plugin to make sure it works right.
A master list needs to be made so people know what file are ok to work with and what files are not to be touched also how to clear a corrupted file and reinstall the file again. for those who have a external Back-up disk its' easy to pull a file from it.
If you don't have a back-up dick then you have to re-download the file.

captbullett

This moment I installed Beta 9.3...x-plane is out of order...no more working !

Hi !

ilankrt wrote:

This is a useless discussion.  CYXC ist not on the JAR list for approved airports.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mi … ecn3NB3GZ8

So, if you want to fly under XL use only this airports.
Remember this is a beta test version......

Nope, it's not useless and this has nothing to do with approved or not approved airports.

Who's the owner of AIRAC ?? You know that ? Where does this info come from ?

If this people decide to remove all SIDs from a "JAR list approved" airport you will see that your
super puper approved airport stops working from one minute to the other.

This "approved list" is a nice feature, you have a "manual check" that these airports will work correct,
but it's not a guarantee, and it should not be taken as an excuse for not solving bugs or even
not seeing bugs.

best regards,

Beta 9.3 Uploaded. Main New is sound. I am not sure what soundsamples is great, but thats all what I can make for one week. Sure, users can change samples with own. Sound folder is good for that Please inform me about your feelings with sound!