251 Reply by Vantskruv (edited by Vantskruv 2016-04-22 12:19:07)

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captbullett wrote:

Good day,
So, I just signed up for the data on the sight that you provided.
now to look into how to implement it into something useful,
I could use some navigational tips on the website on the dat I need to be looking for.

Ps, the system for pulling the Data out is quite difficult even for me and I will need someone to give me some instructions on the data and how to gleem the right data we need.

The data base is quite complex and one wrong move and we will have a mess before we start so it has to be done in a precise order and one country at a time so let make a list country, city, airport,  or if some one else has a better Ideal I have two ears ...
Thank-you,
B.

And the list needs to be of the X-Life Airports and that will make a starting point to the project easer ...
Note#1 if we are going to pull this off it will take the JAR Beta team to do this ...



There is another alternative, XCSoar, which I think is more better. And it is more open.
https://www.xcsoar.org/download/data.html

It has two formats which can be used:
* Openair format (http://www.winpilot.com/UsersGuide/UserAirspace.asp) (not to be mixed with openaip!)
* Tim Newport-Peace format (http://soaringweb.org/TP/sua.html)


The openaip format seems to have some type of license which I do not like:

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*  Exported on: 22.04.2016
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*  openAIP data is not certified and must not be used for primary navigation or flight planning.
*  NEVER RELY ON OPENAIP DATA. openAIP data contains errors. Using openAIP data may
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252 Reply by Vantskruv (edited by Vantskruv 2016-04-22 12:59:25)

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Still, there needs to be some manual changes here:
* Airspace/Airport names
* We need to add a field of radio frequencies.

This can be done via a graphical application, clicking on the airspace respectively, add the data there.
The name fields (called AN in openair format or TITLE in the Tim Newport Peace format), should be not changed as a rule. Instead we should add equaling fields which X-Life instead will use (i.e. AN2 or TITLE2). I base this theory that this will make it easier to update the airspaces if there are new versions by finding the AN or TITLE (used as an identifier), and then merge added AN2/TITLE2 fields from old file to the new file.

Edit: Also, as written before, CENTERS/CTA seems to be lacking in some countries in these files, and they needs to be added manually too. But it depends...

Edit2: Note that these files does not only contain polygons. They contain also circles and arcs with there point of origo, radius and optional start and end vector. This may make it more complicated, but circles can certainly be converted to a detailed polygon with some algorithm.

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OK, how can we coordinate this project in the project? Who will do what, who will deliver data, who will check, test, and so on? I can deliver data from LIDO, and test on real routes.

254 Reply by captbullett (edited by captbullett 2016-04-22 23:53:19)

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Good day,
on the latest version there is a repeatable bug on landing on my computer.

1) the bug is as follows when you land and need to be cleared of the runway on that latest version on any runway i am not being cleared so i need to have someone else confirm this also before we make this a X-Life bug as it could only be my issue and sending log.txt

2) this was the same issue as the other post; the gadget won't clear me from the runway and thinks that I am still on the runway although I have cleared the runway.
now I will do another test ang take screenshots.
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ThommiTechnik wrote:

OK, how can we coordinate this project in the project? Who will do what, who will deliver data, who will check, test, and so on? I can deliver data from LIDO, and test on real routes.

Good day,
yes, it need a good team leader with experience in the data and flying since this has to be right or it won't mean a thing and it will look like amateurs did it and I do not want that I would rather it take three years to produce than one year and have a pile of garbage.

Brian

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Re: X-Life ver 1.0 (rc1, r1, ++)

Vantskruv wrote:

Still, there needs to be some manual changes here:
* Airspace/Airport names
* We need to add a field of radio frequencies.

This can be done via a graphical application, clicking on the airspace respectively, add the data there.
The name fields (called AN in openair format or TITLE in the Tim Newport Peace format), should be not changed as a rule. Instead we should add equaling fields which X-Life instead will use (i.e. AN2 or TITLE2). I base this theory that this will make it easier to update the airspaces if there are new versions by finding the AN or TITLE (used as an identifier), and then merge added AN2/TITLE2 fields from old file to the new file.

Edit: Also, as written before, CENTERS/CTA seems to be lacking in some countries in these files, and they needs to be added manually too. But it depends...

Edit2: Note that these files does not only contain polygons. They contain also circles and arcs with there point of origo, radius and optional start and end vector. This may make it more complicated, but circles can certainly be converted to a detailed polygon with some algorithm.


Good day,

Can you show me how to do the conversions(circles to pylygon) and I do not mean with a Bad video I mean with detail written instructions because,
I did go to college and do understand very complex instructions and so I have a record of what steps I took so I can show others if needed.

This is all a process and in some of it you won't understand why i do what I do but I am the best at what I do.
Thank-you,
B.

257 Reply by laohu314 (edited by laohu314 2016-04-23 01:23:21)

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CTD at KBOS after a long time watching traffic

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258 Reply by captbullett (edited by captbullett 2016-04-23 01:29:32)

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CTD at KBOS after a long time watching traffic

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Saitek X52,  TPM, Radio, Switch and Multi Panel, TM Cougar, XP 10.45, JAR A320neo 2.6.1, XL 1.1b3


Good day,
I have not looked at you log yet but I am guessing your computer got just a little to warm and Mac's are known to have a thermal safety in them.
maybe don't watch for quite so, long ...
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Open GL CTD ...

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ThommiTechnik wrote:
J.A.Romanov wrote:

Yep, but I am still have not idea where I can get list of european "centers" as example.

Arrival/Departure - yes - a future task

If you want, I'll create a list in the next days?! Will take some days, to create.

Cheers, Thomas

Yes, I think I will use List of ATC Centers and (to avoid edge calculation) will pass from one Center to Next using simple distance calculation.

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Another CTD at KBOS. Very frustrating


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A lot of CTD reports happen when you use non-verified KBOS. This atc-taxiroutes have a lot of errors, as i check. First - need rework file for this airport i think.

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Re: X-Life ver 1.0 (rc1, r1, ++)

cmckjodi wrote:

What does selected aircraft mean at the top of the X Life settings panel and what do you use this for? Thanks

Please use info from official product page (click READ MORE here http://jardesign.org/x-life/www/)

http://jardesign.org/x-life/www/more-features/

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Re: X-Life ver 1.0 (rc1, r1, ++)

amischkowitz wrote:

Hi,

I fly a lot across Spain with Vueling Airlines. 
Would it be possible to add one or two "official"' Xlife airports ?
For example Madrid and Barcelona ? (LEMD and LEBL)

Thanks a lot in advance

Sure, here is instruction what need to do
http://jardesign.org/x-life/www/how-to- … ompatible/

(below the page)

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sillycow wrote:

Good day, I'm flight with FF A350XWB, I want to ask how can I show other AI aircraft on ND panel?
I comfired my Jar A320NEO can show other AI aircraft on ND panel, or Xlife can't support non JAR plane show traffic on ND??

Thank You for your answer~

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Re: X-Life ver 1.0 (rc1, r1, ++)

Ayki wrote:

Hello,
It seems we are going to have more detailed gate editing at WED with 10.50.

Thanks to Ben Supnik, he confirmed that we have ICAO Based Sized list.  So that means, if a developer create or edit its scenery with full working taxiways and correct gate information  that means we can use X-life out of the box without any *.dat download or  gate editing. 

Will X-life adopt  WED's new property? currently we have to use gate editor to ban A380 and 747-8i but allow 777 and 747-400 since default HEAVY class means  all of those.

At september 2015 I send to Ben Supnik all needed data to improve (extend) WED and apt.dat format. Yes, after 10.50 will me released, i will rework X-Life to have ability read new data format.

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I am workOn a new improved. One of them - improving the representativeness of the aircraft type selection. Have you noticed that too many 727? Now the number of aircraft of a particular type will be proportional to the number of aircraft of this type operated in real life.

Next task - do something with Centers list and control passing. Sure, i read all your messages about this. I will find a good and useful solution.

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J.A.Romanov wrote:
laohu314 wrote:

Another CTD at KBOS. Very frustrating


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A lot of CTD reports happen when you use non-verified KBOS. This atc-taxiroutes have a lot of errors, as i check. First - need rework file for this airport i think.


Agree 100%, sorry I'm such a slow learner.
After a while when there are aircraft too big to park or pass each other it generates a problem that cannot be solved.
Thanks for all the help Eugeny, I hope too get it right soon!

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267 Reply by TDanielsen (edited by TDanielsen 2016-04-23 19:32:19)

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I noticed a bug on Friday: I was flying from LOWW to EDDM with the latest beta-version of X-life. While I was holding short of RW 29 (I think) another aircraft taxied up behind me and through me and took off. Shortly afterwards I was given my take-off clearance.

The next day it was even worse: I flew from EDDM to LOWW and while lining up on RW 26R an aircraft passed through me and took off more or less at the same time, when I got my take-off clearance!!

In both cases I had adhered strictly to the taxi-route given by ATC, so I wasn't in a place where I shouldn't be.

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TDanielsen wrote:

I noticed a bug on Friday: I was flying from LOWW to EDDM with the latest beta-version of X-life. While I was holding short of RW 29 (I think) another aircraft taxied up behind me and through me and took off. Shortly afterwards I was given my take-off clearance.

The next day it was even worse: I flew from EDDM to LOWW and while lining up on RW 26R an aircraft passed through me and took off more or less at the same time, when I got my take-off clearance!!

In both cases I had adhered strictly to the taxi-route given by ATC, so I wasn't in a place where I shouldn't be.

Good Day,
I see you are new to X-Life, here we do things in a way that gets results that work so somethings are done the same way as X-Plane protocol and somethings are done a step higher than XP so,
when we ask for details and Log.txt and bbox.txt this is a must and it is not something that is up for debate when you post a bug report you have to post your log.txt and bbox.txt if you are using a JAR aircraft.

Now saying this, the issue you are reporting does happen from time to time and this is why we need the log.txt we are tracking different issues and we need all of the data not just part if JAR and the development team is to fix the issue.
Everyone want the plugin to work right and I know so, do you so, thank-you so, much for your help
captbullett

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Two flights today.  EIDW to EGLL and EGCC to EIDW.  Only issues I encountered were when taxiing for take off.  At both airports, there were planes taxiing to the active RWY well ahead of me and I could see them stop at the holding point.  When I eventually pulled up behind them at the holding point and advised the tower, I was told to line up on the RWY thus required me to taxi through the planes in front.  This has happened before and is a regular occurrence.

Everything else worked perfectly.

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cmckjodi wrote:

What does selected aircraft mean at the top of the X Life settings panel and what do you use this for? Thanks

Please use info from official product page (click READ MORE here http://jardesign.org/x-life/www/)

http://jardesign.org/x-life/www/more-features/

Thank you JAR

271 Reply by Vantskruv (edited by Vantskruv 2016-04-24 09:38:12)

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Good day,

Can you show me how to do the conversions(circles to pylygon) and I do not mean with a Bad video I mean with detail written instructions because,
I did go to college and do understand very complex instructions and so I have a record of what steps I took so I can show others if needed.

This is all a process and in some of it you won't understand why i do what I do but I am the best at what I do.
Thank-you,
B.

Hello Captain!

I did do some googling (everything is simple if you find some good resources smile ).
http://journal.missiondata.com/post/633 … -a-polygon

I did simplify the code in C++:

 
    //Given data (example)
    double radius = 105 //Nautical Miles
    double lng = 0.0; //Longitude position of circle
    double lat = 0.0; //Latitude poisition of circle


    //Static const data
    double earth_radius = 3440.07;
    double r2d = 180.0/PI;
    double d2r = PI/180.0;

    //Should be a dynamic value depending on radius, as the bigger radius we have, the more resolution we need to have.
    int resolution = 32;

    //Calculations
    double r_lat = (radius/earth_radius)*r2d;
    double r_lng = r_lat/cos(_lat*d2r);

    for(int i=0; i<resolution; i++)
    {
        double t = PI*(i/(resolution/2.0));
        double px = _lng + r_lng*cos(t);
        double py = _lat + r_lat*sin(t);
        
        //Push each point to create the polygon
        CPoint p(px, py, 0.0);
        lPoints.push_back(p);
    }//for

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Okay, I will remember that next time.

Off topic, I was wandering if it was possible to let the first officer in the A320neo actually say the readbacks?

captbullett wrote:
TDanielsen wrote:

I noticed a bug on Friday: I was flying from LOWW to EDDM with the latest beta-version of X-life. While I was holding short of RW 29 (I think) another aircraft taxied up behind me and through me and took off. Shortly afterwards I was given my take-off clearance.

The next day it was even worse: I flew from EDDM to LOWW and while lining up on RW 26R an aircraft passed through me and took off more or less at the same time, when I got my take-off clearance!!

In both cases I had adhered strictly to the taxi-route given by ATC, so I wasn't in a place where I shouldn't be.

Good Day,
I see you are new to X-Life, here we do things in a way that gets results that work so somethings are done the same way as X-Plane protocol and somethings are done a step higher than XP so,
when we ask for details and Log.txt and bbox.txt this is a must and it is not something that is up for debate when you post a bug report you have to post your log.txt and bbox.txt if you are using a JAR aircraft.

Now saying this, the issue you are reporting does happen from time to time and this is why we need the log.txt we are tracking different issues and we need all of the data not just part if JAR and the development team is to fix the issue.
Everyone want the plugin to work right and I know so, do you so, thank-you so, much for your help
captbullett

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Vantskruv wrote:
captbullett wrote:

Good day,

Can you show me how to do the conversions(circles to pylygon) and I do not mean with a Bad video I mean with detail written instructions because,
I did go to college and do understand very complex instructions and so I have a record of what steps I took so I can show others if needed.

This is all a process and in some of it you won't understand why i do what I do but I am the best at what I do.
Thank-you,
B.

Hello Captain!

I did do some googling (everything is simple if you find some good resources smile ).
http://journal.missiondata.com/post/633 … -a-polygon

I did simplify the code in C++:

 
    //Given data (example)
    double radius = 105 //Nautical Miles
    double lng = 0.0; //Longitude position of circle
    double lat = 0.0; //Latitude poisition of circle


    //Static const data
    double earth_radius = 3440.07;
    double r2d = 180.0/PI;
    double d2r = PI/180.0;

    //Should be a dynamic value depending on radius, as the bigger radius we have, the more resolution we need to have.
    int resolution = 32;

    //Calculations
    double r_lat = (radius/earth_radius)*r2d;
    double r_lng = r_lat/cos(_lat*d2r);

    for(int i=0; i<resolution; i++)
    {
        double t = PI*(i/(resolution/2.0));
        double px = _lng + r_lng*cos(t);
        double py = _lat + r_lat*sin(t);
        
        //Push each point to create the polygon
        CPoint p(px, py, 0.0);
        lPoints.push_back(p);
    }//for


Good day,

Thank-you so much this will help JAR when he does the work He has already decided on how he is going to approach the issue so we will be seeing something soon.

I thank-you for the time and effort you put into this as it gives us more data to use as we get into the project,
we might find a need for this.
Great job,
Brian

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J.A.Romanov wrote:
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Good day, I'm flight with FF A350XWB, I want to ask how can I show other AI aircraft on ND panel?
I comfired my Jar A320NEO can show other AI aircraft on ND panel, or Xlife can't support non JAR plane show traffic on ND??

Thank You for your answer~

X-Life pass all datas to "standart" X-Plane datarefs. If a350 use this X-Plane feature - should work. If no - you may contact developers to add this feature.

Seems like it works only on Jar planes, because i also can not see any ai plane on several airplanes like Epic 1000 - SSG 747 - FF A350 - SSG 190 or ATR 72-500. Not even on the x-plane standard planes like the Cirrus TheJet. I only can see ai planes when i add some on aircraft & situations - other aircraft.

Regards Peter

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Re: X-Life ver 1.0 (rc1, r1, ++)

Good Day,

Oh, the QNH is not changing for the US airports it is staying on HPpa instead go switching to in .

is this an adjustment I need to make or is it the plugin.

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