1 Topic by aviator (edited by aviator 2023-02-05 17:21:07)

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Topic: Found a few bugs in checklists and procedures

Hello developers,
first let me thank you for creating this wonderful add-on, it really makes flying an airliner alone way easier and further improves the realism!

Unfortunately I have found a few bugs i want to report to you:

Settings:

  • You can set the copilot to do only PM or PM + PF tasks - this setting should be saved. At the moment it's always reset to PM + PF at start

Before Start Checklist:

  • During the "Before Start Checklist", the copilot tells GNDcrew to disconnect GND Power without checking if APU is already available - if not, this results in AC power loss

Engine Start procedure:

  • The copilot starts only one engine after another instead of two simultaneously (which is the usual way on Airbus Quadjets)

Departure:

  • During the "before takeoff checklist", Flaps 1 is not accepted by the copilot as T/O configuration, although set on MCDU's performance page and accepted on the ECAM Memo (no blue)


Approach:

  • Approach Checklist does not stop at the line after Minimums and before Baro ref (although there is another "Approach checklist below the line" in the menu available. In my opinion, the copilot should only continue below the line if the aircraft is already below the transition level - maybe not even then

  • At item "Baro ref" during Approach checklist, QNH is always set to 1013, independent from the actual QNH at the destination airport

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Re: Found a few bugs in checklists and procedures

After a few more tests:

The setting regarding PM + PF or only PM-tasks is saved now, don't know why it didn't work the first time.


Regarding Flaps position during the before takeoff Checklist, I've tried it 3 times, the 1st one failed.
For every try I've manually set Flaps 0, than back to 1, -> pressed T/O Config -> no blue, then asked Copilot for before t/o checklist.
The PERF/DEP-Page was all the time set up for flaps1 and it was never blue on the memo except while going back to flaps 0.

  • 1st time failed

  • 2nd time successful

  • 3rd time successful

When failed:

JD COPILOT Plugin: 1542 SEC TFT EXECUTE FROM:CHECKLIST.BefTakeoffTL.Flaps B 4
JD COPILOT Plugin: 1542 SEC TFT EXECUTE RUN: dotypePos lookchlped
JD COPILOT Plugin: 1543 SEC TFT EXECUTE RUN: dotypePause  0.300000
JD COPILOT Plugin: 1543 SEC TFT EXECUTE RUN: dotypePos lookchlecm
JD COPILOT Plugin: 1544 SEC TFT EXECUTE RUN: dotypeSayWait Flaps not in takeoff position!
JD SPEECH Plugin: Get MSG: say>Flaps not in takeoff position!

When successfull:

JD COPILOT Plugin: 1631 SEC TFT EXECUTE FROM:CHECKLIST.BefTakeoffTL.Flaps B 1
JD COPILOT Plugin: 1631 SEC TFT EXECUTE RUN: dotypePos lookchlped
JD COPILOT Plugin: 1632 SEC TFT EXECUTE RUN: dotypePause  0.300000
JD COPILOT Plugin: 1633 SEC TFT EXECUTE RUN: dotypePos lookchlecm
JD SPEECH Plugin: Send MSG: flaps one
JD COPILOT Plugin: 1633 SEC TFT EXECUTE RUN: dotypeSayWait Config one!

Regarding Approach checklist:
Copilot's checklist is:

  • Briefing

  • ECAM Status

  • Seat Belts

  • Baro Ref

  • Minimums

  • ENG Mode Selector

At least Baro Ref should be in the "Approach Checklist below the line", don't know about ENG Mode Selector.


Regarding QNH:

JD COPILOT Plugin: 2931 SEC TFT EXECUTE RUN: dotypeSay Baro reference?!
JD SPEECH Plugin: Get MSG: say>Baro reference?!
JD SPEECH Plugin: Get MSG: CmdRecStart
JD COPILOT Plugin: 2937 SEC TFT Just Get Recognition: ANY
JD SPEECH Plugin: Get MSG: CmdRecStop
JD COPILOT Plugin: 2937 SEC TFT EXECUTE FROM:CHECKLIST.Approach.Baro B 1
JD COPILOT Plugin: 2937 SEC TFT EXECUTE RUN: dotypePos lookchlfcu
JD COPILOT Plugin: 2938 SEC TFT EXECUTE RUN: dotypePos barochl
JD COPILOT Plugin: 2938 SEC TFT EXECUTE RUN: dotypeDrf AirbusFBW/BaroStdFO=0.000000
JD COPILOT Plugin: 2938 SEC TFT EXECUTE RUN: dotypeDrf jd/fo/needsetbaro1=1.000000
JD COPILOT Plugin: 2939 SEC TFT EXECUTE RUN: dotypeDrf jd/fo/needsetbaro1=0.000000
JD COPILOT Plugin: 2939 SEC TFT EXECUTE RUN: dotypeDrf AirbusFBW/BaroUnitFO=1.000000
JD COPILOT Plugin: 2939 SEC TFT EXECUTE RUN: dotypePos lookchlfcu
JD COPILOT Plugin: 2939 SEC TFT EXECUTE RUN: dotypeSayWait QNH <&SYSTEMS.FCU.BaroSetHpaFoFloor> Set
JD SPEECH Plugin: Get MSG: say>QNH 1 0 1 3  Set

QNH at EDDM was 1034 at this time.


During Final Approach I've encountered another bug at the landing checklist, it failed 3 times with:

JD COPILOT Plugin: 3182 SEC TFT EXECUTE RUN: dotypeSayWait E-CAM memo?!
JD SPEECH Plugin: Get MSG: say>E-CAM memo?!
JD SPEECH Plugin: Send MSG: speed
JD SPEECH Plugin: Get MSG: CmdRecStart
1:21:50.089 I/ATC: Airport flow changed at LOIR!
CurFlow: AUTOGEN: Calm Visual NewFlow: AUTOGEN: South Visual
JD COPILOT Plugin: 3186 SEC TFT Just Get Recognition: ANY
JD SPEECH Plugin: Get MSG: CmdRecStop
JD COPILOT Plugin: 3186 SEC TFT EXECUTE FROM:CHECKLIST.Landing.EcamMemo B 1
JD COPILOT Plugin: 3186 SEC TFT EXECUTE RUN: dotypePos lookchlecm
JD COPILOT Plugin: 3187 SEC TFT EXECUTE RUN: dotypeSay Not no blue. Landing checklist is not complete!

The ECAM Memo showed no blue.

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Re: Found a few bugs in checklists and procedures

About QNH settings - may be you need check TL346 options and disable QNH/altimeter sync for left and right side

We will check and fix flap issue. Seems like I know possible reason.

Thank you!

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4 Reply by aviator (edited by aviator 2023-02-20 20:23:32)

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Re: Found a few bugs in checklists and procedures

Good evening.



The Flap-Bug seems to only occur when the flap setting has changed recently, can't say it more precise.
If I set flaps 1 during startup, it doesn't occur.



I've disabled QNH sync now. The problem with QNH on approach seems to be gone now.
But still, BARO REF should be only on the "Approach checklist below the line", not on the "Approach checklist"



Somewhere around startup, the Copilot always sets QNH to 1013 (actual QNH was 1003 at this time):

JD COPILOT Plugin: 2415 SEC TFT EXECUTE FROM:PROCEDURES.AfterStart.Baro1013 B 0


The Bug "ECAM MEMO ... Not no blue" happens on every approach checklist:

JD COPILOT Plugin: 6375 SEC TFT EXECUTE FROM:CHECKLIST.Landing.EcamMemo B 1
JD COPILOT Plugin: 6375 SEC TFT EXECUTE RUN: dotypePos lookchlecm
JD COPILOT Plugin: 6376 SEC TFT EXECUTE RUN: dotypeSay Not no blue. Landing checklist is not complete!
JD SPEECH Plugin: Get MSG: say>Not no blue. Landing checklist is not complete!

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Re: Found a few bugs in checklists and procedures

aviator wrote:

Good evening.



The Flap-Bug seems to only occur when the flap setting has changed recently, can't say it more precise.
If I set flaps 1 during startup, it doesn't occur.



I've disabled QNH sync now. The problem with QNH on approach seems to be gone now.
But still, BARO REF should be only on the "Approach checklist below the line", not on the "Approach checklist"



Somewhere around startup, the Copilot always sets QNH to 1013 (actual QNH was 1003 at this time):

JD COPILOT Plugin: 2415 SEC TFT EXECUTE FROM:PROCEDURES.AfterStart.Baro1013 B 0


The Bug "ECAM MEMO ... Not no blue" happens on every approach checklist:

JD COPILOT Plugin: 6375 SEC TFT EXECUTE FROM:CHECKLIST.Landing.EcamMemo B 1
JD COPILOT Plugin: 6375 SEC TFT EXECUTE RUN: dotypePos lookchlecm
JD COPILOT Plugin: 6376 SEC TFT EXECUTE RUN: dotypeSay Not no blue. Landing checklist is not complete!
JD SPEECH Plugin: Get MSG: say>Not no blue. Landing checklist is not complete!

Please use this files. Look like this issues fixed there.

Post's attachments

Attachment icon CHECKLIST.txt 66.58 kb, 55 downloads since 2023-02-23 

Attachment icon PROCEDURES.txt 159.39 kb, 58 downloads since 2023-02-23 

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6 Reply by aviator (edited by aviator 2023-03-19 15:37:28)

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Re: Found a few bugs in checklists and procedures

Thank you, I've tried those files.

  • The Flap-config-bug still occurs unchanged

  • QNH-Bug is fixed now

  • The "not no blue"-bug on landing chacklist still occurs unchanged

a small problem problem I've noticed: The "expected answer" dissappears after a few minutes.
e.g. if there's a long time between "before t/o checklist" and "lineup clearance obtained" (can happen on Vatsim), the entry "lineup clearance obtained" in the "expected answer"-List get's replaced by "..."

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Re: Found a few bugs in checklists and procedures

I've encountered another Bug:

During rainy weather, although Mode is set to ignition, the Copilot will abort the approach checklist because of incorrect mode:

JD COPILOT Plugin: 5613 SEC TFT EXECUTE RUN: dotypeSayWait Rainy weather! Engine mode selector should be set to ignition.
JD SPEECH Plugin: Get MSG: say>Rainy weather! Engine mode selector should be set to ignition.
JD SPEECH Plugin: Send MSG: ignition
xswiftbus: HBKMU probe hit water at 46.289185, 6.230746, 372.922959
xswiftbus: HBKMU probe hit water at 46.289918, 6.232554, 372.877859
JD COPILOT Plugin: 5620 SEC TFT EXECUTE RUN: dotypeSayWait Checklist is not complete!
JD SPEECH Plugin: Get MSG: say>Checklist is not complete!

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Re: Found a few bugs in checklists and procedures

aviator wrote:

I've encountered another Bug:

During rainy weather, although Mode is set to ignition, the Copilot will abort the approach checklist because of incorrect mode:

JD COPILOT Plugin: 5613 SEC TFT EXECUTE RUN: dotypeSayWait Rainy weather! Engine mode selector should be set to ignition.
JD SPEECH Plugin: Get MSG: say>Rainy weather! Engine mode selector should be set to ignition.
JD SPEECH Plugin: Send MSG: ignition
xswiftbus: HBKMU probe hit water at 46.289185, 6.230746, 372.922959
xswiftbus: HBKMU probe hit water at 46.289918, 6.232554, 372.877859
JD COPILOT Plugin: 5620 SEC TFT EXECUTE RUN: dotypeSayWait Checklist is not complete!
JD SPEECH Plugin: Get MSG: say>Checklist is not complete!

Please download updated file and put it to copilot_main->systems folder
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hagj0trtczjfb … T.txt?dl=0

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Re: Found a few bugs in checklists and procedures

Good morning

I have a problem with the TARA selector.
ZIRA constantly repeats TARA mode is set even though the selector is on TARA.
How to solve the problem.

Version 1.2.2 Toliss A346

Cordially

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Re: Found a few bugs in checklists and procedures

Hello, in order to understand your problem, please send a log.txt file

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Re: Found a few bugs in checklists and procedures

Hi, is it a bug?
I purchased copilot for the Zibo and works great, so I purchased for the A340-600 (I am using LR XP12 sim 12.6b6)
In the Zibo I use the comandSelect, when I use it in the A340 it does not work. Long hold doesn't work (like in the Zibo).
I do not use voice commands.

What do I need to do, check or modify?

I use the v1.2.2 ToLiss 340-600.

If you want more info please let me know that too.


Thanks.